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Debates and, you know, a year of campaigning, almost, i think it's pretty clear that the person who has shown the statesmanship that can take us past the finish line is the steady ship of joe biden. >> all right, joining me right now to discuss, washington bureau chief for the chicago sun times, lynn swede, and senior writer for rolling stone, jamil smith. good to see you both. >> good to see you. >> he said the attack on joe biden was not what moved the needle for him, but he's also saying joe biden is the most winningest. do you buy that? >> i have to ask, what do democrats think a primary i...

To bail on castro? >> i think we need to line up the democrats to defeat trump in 2020, and that's why i believe i'm moovving my support to vice president joe biden. i think he's certainly showed the statesmanship throughout every debate. he's had a steady ship. he's had eight years experience in the white house already. he has a storied carry in the senate. he has a resonance with the american people, and i believe he's the candidate that can get us past the finish line, and clearly congressman castro is a qualified candidate, but i think it's time to narrow the field and unite and get ready ...

Point. >> so you have effective diplomacy and you have people like william perry or george schultz or jim baker on your team who can help negotiate for american interests to have an inf treaty that would have enforcement against russia and to include china. it is easy to blow up the system which is all that this administration wants to do. it is much harder to build something. and we pain stakingly built things in this country for the world. and i would hope that the next president will have a team of competent experts who understand diplomacy, statesmanship and foreign policy and will be able...

Fight warplanes with them? what donald trump brought to the tables i will tell people i will push back on one hand, they have to respect america's interests but if they do that we can find a way to get along. i don't know if there's another practical strategy in the world. lots of people will be talking to these countries because they have to and it is reasonable statesmanship. rob: thank you for joining us. 20 minutes after the hour. daycare disaster, a 2-year-old picked up for school and left on a hot van to die, the facility now shutdown and the grieving family demanding answers. jillian: n...

Statesmanship. i was going to say civility. but have we lost our sense of decency? >> well, i don't -- i don't think that as a -- as a country we've lost it, i think, though, the scary thing to a lot of us is that we've seen that if you have an incivil person at the top, if you have someone who really doesn't share these basic american values, it's all about himself, it's all about his own megalomania, then i think the scary part is that we've seen that so many people will follow. and that they don't have the guts in crowds or in their own houses or just among their friends to stand up and say...