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Trust obama. i have read about him and he's not -- he's not -- he's a -- he's an arab. he is not -- >> no, ma'am. no, ma'am. >> no? >> no, ma'am. no, ma'am. he's a -- he's a -- he's a decent family man. >> well, that was a moment from then presidential candidate john mccain's campaign in 2008. joining me now is grant woods. he's a former arizona attorney general and a friend of the late senator. mr. woods, so good to have you on. thank you for coming back. >> thanks for asking me back. >> what do you think when you see that clip now? >> boy, it seems like that must have been 100 years ago. >> ...

Winning. he said many times on many different issues i would rather lose than -- than to win that way. and he won a lot more than he lost, but i think that came down to your basic love of his country. it was more important than any political race. >> listen, i think -- you know, i've said this before, i think john mccain would not even argue this point with me that he doesn't mind being criticized on his policies. people didn't always agree with his policies. >> no. >> he was imperfect with his policies, but on a human level he was a decent man. i was going to ask you, have we lost our -- you ...

>> if we had a clip of abe lincoln, it would be like watching that. it seems like that long ago, but i guess -- i just wonder how quickly we've gone away from statesmanship and devolved into pure partisanship and that it's all politics all the time. it's all about winning. and as you can see there with john mccain, it wasn't all about winning. he said many times on many different issues i would rather lose than -- than to win that way. and he won a lot more than he lost, but i think that came down to your basic love of his country. it was more important than any political race. >> listen, i th...

Governor. that was the plan. >> harris: what was interesting, you might have asked, why is he warning everybody else, when you see how he matches up with president trump, maybe his team is looking at the numbers. >> yes, what is encouraging for biden, doing well in critical states like ohio, pennsylvania, wisconsin, florida, where we, the democrats, need the win. i think it is smart for biden not to attack his opponents. he's way ahead, he wants to project statesmanship, reconciliation, i think it is a smart strategy. the problem is if the voters in iowa and new hampshire, first primary want n...

>> when i've spoken to people on trump's 2020 re-election bid on his campaign, they say there is nothing like the presidency when it comes to trying to show the power of an incumbent in the -- in staying in office. so the president has air force one. he has all the bells and whistles of the presidency. he's able to really show the american people that he's standing on the world stage, standing up for american values and trying to present himself as a president who not only is in office now but can stay in office with his re-election. so president trump is going to use this state visit, use the...