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Represent a victory that he could announce. whether it's true or not, he doesn't really care. he's a product of the kgb. that's their business is lying and misinformation, disinformation. i'm not surprised at all that we're seeing the attacks on odesa. >> mr. secretary, if this becomes the type of static conflict that it looks like it might, how does the president prepare american people for something for an effort that may take not just months but potentially years? >> well, that's a good question. the unpredictability of all of this, i think, is clear with the american public, with the world...

It doesn't feel that way to the civilians on the ground who are being attacked, the 2 million ukrainian who fled across the board. what is the pentagon assessment of the military state of affairs right now? >> we would agree with you, calling it a stalemate doesn't seem exactly the best assessment here. obviously, there's a lot of fighting going on. it's not a static conflict. the ukrainians are fighting back bravely, but here's the thing, they're fighting back in the places and at the times and with the capabilities that are serving their needs best. they're not trying to defend everywhere, t...