>> i'm not convinced. >> i had someone tell me this monday. i had a young client who said to me, he went the right way. he finally got out of the system. a lot of misdemeanor convictions. has a job. and he said, you know what, i don't have the respect that i used to have. and that -- >> okay. but i think that's a totally different thing. i have a brother who has spent decades in and out. in the context of an imprisoned community, he is tall, good looking, relatively educated, right. so, he does have a relative status inside, but once he's out in part because he has a record, it's -- he's worki...