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Learned that was the president's son through this e-mail because at that time we couldn't be sure whether this was going to go beyond the intelligence gathering operation. >> so when they were just stealing stuff, when they were stealing documents, that's what i traditionally think of as a spying operation. i think of spying mostly as stealing secrets. when -- whether it's, you know, potentially damaging political information or useful industrial information or military, whatever it is. stealing information is fine. when it came to turn that around and not just let the russian government use i...

That's exactly right. so the hacking had been earlier. the theft of documents had been earlier. but they hadn't been dumped. at this point we wouldn't have known that the russians intended to escalate that way. so if this is correct, the first person who may have found out that the russians had decided not just to gather information about what the candidate's positions might be or what they might do in office, but they had made a decision to try to intervene to help a candidate. the first person who may have learned that was the president's son through this e-mail because at that time we could...

May have meddled in the u.s. election. what do you make of this? >> well, the russians have been meddling in our elections and everybody's elections for decades. they call it disinformation. this is -- it's part of a massive -- they're much more involved in that. they spend more time and money and people on that than stealing secrets. >> you're right about that. what do you think of the timing? what do you think -- now he is saying maybe. >> i don't know. i think he wants to have an earlier statement on cnn, i think he wants it both ways. he wants people to understand but he also doesn't want ...

It was less than a week ago. now they claim they are holding an american citizen who is accused of stealing secrets. the issue is they want leverage and they want a meeting with officials in the united states. i had a meeting a short time ago and that is the claim and their goal. when you are the north korean regime and you have little leverage, you have detainees and your nuclear program. you saw what happened when kim jong-un ordered that nuclear test last week. whether or not that will work, the u.s. has a policy of keeping a distance. of however, given the provocative acts, you saw the uni...