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It's interesting to watch going forward what they do next. one democrat told me this was the low-hanging fruit. expanding background checks and extending the waiting period. this could get bipartisan support on. no question outside of congress there's been a wave of advocacy over the course of the last couple of years in the wake of these mass shootings and lucy mcbath, a freshman who lost her son to gun violence, who ran specifically on that issue and has become a leading voice to this. when you talk to mike thompson, he's made clear this is a step by step process. they hear what's going on o...

Administration, from the president and his secretary of state, that the arsenal has only gotten bigger. help us understand how easy it would be to account for the kinds of weapons, the apt amount -- the amount of weapons that north korea has. >> as the president said, we have a good understanding of north korea. he said that we know every inch of the country. a little exaggeration, but we have been watching for a long time. that is why the inventory is not crucial at this stage. at some point, when you have an agreement to denuclearize the arsenal. ing of course -- of course, you need an arsen...

Take partial moves toward denuclearization and start lifting some sanctions. there are critics saying that is a real bad idea. where you come down on that? >> the negotiations were only just beginning in singapore. we know a lot more today than we did back in june 2018, and i think the president at his team are informed by what has transpired in the past few months and they realize, based on statements from secretary pompeo, that this is going to be somewhat of a step-by-step process where we may give a little bit in return for moves, for example, admitting inspectors or joining the nuclear no...

Step. it is expensive, three square miles, has 400 buildings, arms control experts, kim jong un has made it clear he has visions of step-by-step process, it is significant enough, he will expect sanctions relief. that is the key goal. to become a member of the nonproliferation treaty from which they exited in 2003, that would mandate inspectors. heather: i ask about that specifically. as he ran for president, he was adamant and vocal about the iran nuclear deal. to determine if they were following through and doing what they were supposed to do. how would we be able to do that

Process just as important, gordon? don't you have to put one foot in front of the other to get across the street? we have to at least start to go down this path, correct? >> well no, not correct. the reason is we've tried this before. for instance the six-party talks that started in august of 2003. dragged on for more than half a decade. the step-by-step process. it really doesn't work. you think it should work but it doesn't. what we really have to do is just vigorously apply those sanctions so that north korea realize they have no choice. they either keep their weapons or kim jong-un but not...