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Direction. and we've had a little bit -- >> setbacks with turkey over the past decade. >> that's a big setback, yeah. >> yeah. >> when people used to ask me, what would a democratic middle east look like, i would say it's going to look like turkey. they had made a lot of progress. i don't think the story is yet done in turkey. when you look at that referendum that erdogan carried out it wasn't an overwhelming victory for him. >> may not have been a victory at all. >> it probably wasn't. one reason he was seeking votes in netherlands and other places was he wasn't quite sure. turkey's not quite...

Story to be told. they do have a prime minister who is accountable. they do have a legislature that's trying to work it out. they do have a military that's fighting alongside us or we're advising in the fight for isis. i would rather be iraqi than syrian. at least they don't have a government that's throwing barrel bombs and chemical weapons at its people. >> a lot of people are saying right now that the rise of autocrats across the globe seems to be the trend. >> i don't think democracy is in decline. i think the reason we feel that way is it looked for a while like it was a straight line. st...

Who strongly supports israel. these kinds of situations require step by step progress. this is a huge step forward. >> nbc's kristen welker is at the white house for us. a got saturday to you. how likely is it secretary kerry is going to walk away from these talks with a firm deal? >> it's not looking it very promising at this hour according to diplomats in geneva and a part of these talks. one of the key sticking points coming from france. this they say this deal doesn't do enough to curb iran's nuclear enrichment program calling this a sucker's deal. another sticking point has been sanctions...

Growth, political development, order over political reform, they don't think the country is ready for it yet, they're going to make step by step progress, they never say it, instead they get defensive, paranoid, black out the few statements they make. in that sense you do get a feeling this is still a regime very much feeling its way to maturity. these are not the actions of a regime comfortably in control and willing to depend itself to the world. >> thanks. >> pleasure. >> when we come back, one-on-one with gabby giffords lead trauma doctor. a remarkable update on her remarkable recovery. ...

They are making step by step progress. i think today is just expected just for show. it's really going to be about how he continues this test program in the future. >> are you surprised that we have not seen a test happen on their biggest holiday? >> not necessarily. he would have liked to do that, i'm sure, but he's had to settle for this. maybe it's partly due to pressure from china, or they may just not quite be ready to test. but let's remember, it's all about balance. and we do have missile defenses in place. we have ground based intercepters in alaska and vandenberg in california. sea ba...