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Started reading the grand jury report. the pennsylvania department of health, the pennsylvania department of state, and the philadelphia department of public health and safety, they had ample opportunity to investigate and to shut gosnell down. >> joe, the doctor's staff, they seemed completely untrained. the chief anesthesiologist i understand had only a 7th graded indication. >> that's correct. linda williams testified this week she never went beyond 7th grade. and eventually got some training as a phlebotomist. but really didn't work in that job. she was working at another abortion clinic i...

Seemed completely untrained. the chief anesthesiologist i understand had only a 7th graded indication. >> that's correct. linda williams testified this week she never went beyond 7th grade. and eventually got some training as a phlebotomist. but really didn't work in that job. she was working at another abortion clinic in delaware, sterilizing instruments. that's where she met gosnell. and later, after her husband was murdered, and she was going through problems, gosnell agreed to hire her under the table, and then gradually trained her in different skills needed for the abortion procedure. an...

Sterilizing instruments. that's where she met gosnell. and later, after her husband was murdered, and she was going through problems, gosnell agreed to hire her under the table, and then gradually trained her in different skills needed for the abortion procedure. and linda, as any other employee, when they said, is this okay, is this legal, gosnell, according to the trial testimony, would say, you're working for a doctor, you're grandfathered in. >> eight of his subordinates have already pleaded guilty. and so the -- at first, their defense was, well, the doctor told me it was okay. but when y...