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Narrow numbers, it forces the politics. only one side in my view right now is playing the politics. >> it's very interesting going this deep, michael, you can suggest, we do these reports any time on air or off. it looks like we will program the show around michael and howard's suggestions. steve, i'm not going to play a clip. but in sum haitian, do you have any response to leslie jones from ""saturday night live"," who has been such a fan of yours with her commentary? >> just that i'm extremely flattered. >> all right. i hope she's listening and hears about it. again on the night when things ...

Better with this group every election. republicans, vote white voters, this has become more and more of a republican constituency. so it really translates into that map. it's metro areas, it's cities. that's where the democratic strength is. it's the rural aevgen-american south. otherwise, when you get outside of the rural african-american south, it's basically all red. that's what the geographical map looks like. >> it's fascinating. we listed elegs nights. you are saying that breakdown is a crash course in what's happening of course in the congress right now, in particular, some people might...

So as steve again appropriately pointed out, you go back 20 years, you see where the democrats were competitive in those same areas controlled by republicans, those races in '92 and '92 and '96 and even 98 were a much more favorable playground for democrats politically. that has shifted and fought paying attention to that is why you see a lot of the problems that we have right now. and i have to endorse real quick red and blue. i teach this book, steve's book in my class at -- university, because he nails it sought exactly so really a freight shout out to steve for what he does in helping is u...

Incapsulated what i said at the time i had to say it in that clip. look, the reality of it is, and my basic point is, everyone likes to look at the top line. they like to look more broadly at the states, steve walks us 32 you that every election cycle. what i appreciate about what he did just now was to take it a little bit further down, a little bit more gran you laer to see why the republicans begin to behave the way they behave. they have strength in places that you otherwise wouldn't think about. even when you pull out that map in california, there are counties where republicans have stren...

Used to run the democratic party and has a little different view on this i want, steve, if possible, if you can bring us back to the problem rorschach, the people map. which is one way for us to see especially in 2020 things turned more blue. take it away for your perspective, former democratic party care dean. >> well, the central problem. there are several central problems. the biggest problem of all is that the counties, and the states that michael talked about and steve talked about are older, getting older and whiter and they're terrified of the future. the kids are leaving. they're teach...