used to run the democratic party and has a little different view on this i want, steve, if possible, if you can bring us back to the problem rorschach, the people map. which is one way for us to see especially in 2020 things turned more blue. take it away for your perspective, former democratic party care dean. >> well, the central problem. there are several central problems. the biggest problem of all is that the counties, and the states that michael talked about and steve talked about are older, getting older and whiter and they're terrified of the future. the kids are leaving. they're teaching stuff in the schools that's not useful. the older people don't know how to use the internet. they're losing their jobs. if they can't use the internet, they can't get another job. it's pure fear and anger motivating trump's voters. it's why he's so successful. it belongs to blue people, young