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Collusion. that's not actually the crime. there's conspiracy and all of the others you just listed there. what we're seeing here is that a pretty concerted effort to change the talking point from the president himself to his allies and rudy giuliani, et cetera, where they are saying, look, maybe there was this meeting but nothing came of it. no information was delivered and therefore nothing was really wrong or illegal. and that of course is sort of treacherous legal ground. this is a concern for this white house and people close to the president. we have heard now for over a week that the pre...

Worries that, you know, his son may have put himself in a legally precarious situation. the president doesn't think he did anything wrong, but he's come to terms with the fact that, you know, maybe some of his decisions put him in a situation where he is in a legally questionable spot right now. what we are seeing over the last week is behind the scenes, this president is very, very uneasy and anxious about the mueller investigation, the way the public is receiving policies and what we are seeing in public is a defiant president, a president lashing out against critics, including lebron james,...

What you've observed overall your time covering this president, that there's no chance that now trump, because of his insecurities about the legitimacy of his election, is not going to go out and undercut all five of these people in the coming minutes, seconds, hours? >> i don't know, john. any topic on any question at any point in this administration, if you can ever get me to say donald trump would or would not do something, i think that is risky and dangerous. for a reporter to do, just based on the past practices of this president, i will say this. from what we have been reporting out over...

President about that meeting, anderson. >> do we have any idea what the mood of the president is right now amidst all of this? >> well, he is clearly very angry. a white house source told us this week that he has been stewing for days about all of this reporting, watching the coverage on television, and he is angry not just with his former lawyer michael cohen, but also with reporters who continue to ask him about this at all these opportunities. they try to change the subject this morning at a pretty hastily put together press conference in the rose garden. the press reporters kept feet away ...

Clinton's former attorney, and he's also been angry at the news media for continually asking him questions about this and not about a lot of other things that he would rather talk about. the president has been stewing about this coverage. he wants to change the subject, and he is talking to his lawyers as well, talking about legal strategies for how they cope with this. it seems, though, anderson, that the strategy they've come up with is attack michael cohen and say nothing publicly to the media. >> and still no explanation from the white house why it seems like the president lied about his k...