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here's the deal. take the debt limit, pass it like you did three, four times, when trump was president, and he increased the whole national debt by 40%. >> republicans would argue that donald trump, at the very least, they'd say, played ball. you're not willing to play ball. >> play ball? play ball. he ballooned the debt, he created unemployment -- look, when i came to office, we had incredibly high unemployment. we were in a situation where we had very little movement on anything going on. look, look at the employment right now. just today, 250,000 new jobs. highest participation in...

Congress. there were members of congress that might be okay with a stifel dane, because they think it could hurt you more politically given that, are you prepared to invoke the 14th amendment and blow through the debt ceiling? >> they have not gotten there yet. here's the deal, i think that, first of all, this is not your father's republican party. this is different. >> no, sir. >> this is a different group. i think that we have to make it clear to the american people that i am prepared to negotiate in detail with their budget. how much are you going to spend, how much you're going to tax, how...