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Weeks ago saying it is just math. it really isn't. if you want that stimulus effect, it has to be dramatic. 20% doesn't actually put america in the international competitiveness ranking looking that favorable. but 15% really does. that will really give you that wish of confidence. for me, going back to the point of who benefits, 20% or higher, the real winners will be the already rich. if you really want to help working people, you've got to go for the 15% rate. >> bret: you have to figure out how to make it revenue neutral. as you look at the polls, the president's job performance, which is f...

Weeks ago saying it is just math. it really isn't. if you want that stimulus effect, it has to be dramatic. 20% doesn't actually put america in the international competitiveness ranking looking that favorable. but 15% really does. that will really give you that wish of confidence. for me, going back to the point of who benefits, 20% or higher, the real winners will be the already rich. if you really want to help working people, you've got to go for the 15% rate. >> bret: you have to figure out how to make it revenue neutral. as you look at the polls, the president's job performance, which is f...

The kennedy tax cuts, under the reagan tax cuts and even the clinton tax cuts when he cut capital gains. so we know there's a stimulus effect. but it always comes under you can't afford it. that's right if we keep growing government at the same rate. so cut back what government. it's already this enormous octopus out there that we need to cut the tentacles of. >> we're worried that it's going to get bogged down with the republicans focusing on other things like trying to repeal and replace obamacare and then it just falls by the waste side. >> no. i wouldn't worry about that at all. i mean, th...

>> i do. i absolutely do. and, you know, for a myriad of reasons. not the least of which is that in the next ten years, texans will pay about $100 billion to the federal level that will go to subsidize health care in california and new york rather than come back to texas and work for us in our own economy. we also will cover between 1 million and 1.5 million hardworking texans through medicaid expansion, and there's the expectation through economic analyses that have been done of what it will mean for our state that demonstrate a stimulus effect of about 300,000 jobs per year. and what's so im...

Million and 1.5 million hardworking texans through medicaid expansion, and there's the expectation through economic analyses that have been done of what it will mean for our state that demonstrate a stimulus effect of about 300,000 jobs per year. and what's so important about that is not just that sheer number, but the fact that those dollars will go to some of our most economically depressed areas in the state. >> that's right. >> and help create job growth where it's most needed. >> some of those economically, most economically depressed areas are, of course, in along the border. i'd like to...