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With telephone records and mettadata including link analysis and fbi data mapping technique used to study terrorist networks in order to find the truth. joining me now is barbara lee. congresswoman, it is good to see you again. thank you so much for joining us. what is your reaction to what is being described as this aggressive tactic by the committee. is this the only way to breakthrough trump's stone walling? >> nice being with you, ayman. and thank you. listen, chairman thompson and his committee are doing the job they were asked to do. they're doing a phenomenal job. they are trying to mak...

As i was reading this "new york times" reporting, revealing the committee is using aggressive tactics used against mobsters and terrorists i of course thought of you. and the number of times on our air you have made that comparison. what does it tell you they need to use those tactics in order to work around trump's you know stone walling? >> it's exactly that. he is stone walling. and everybody who is loyal to him is stone walling. and so the only way to get the information is one of two. one the department of justice could be calling them before a grand jury. and doing this. and otherwise th...

And steve bannon stone walling the committee, do you think these individuals are the best shot at finding out how this plan was actually hatched? >> even if they're not the best shot for finding out if the plan was hatched, they provide more data and information. whenever building an investigation, you want to go to people at the top and also people down low and see who you get information from. it appears that what kind congress is looking into right now is some link between members in the trump orbit and the planners and people who signed these electors. these fake election certificates. of ...

Struggles to recall his conversations with then president trump on the day of the siege. listen. >> i talked to him that day. i've been clear about that. i don't recall the number of times. i'd have to go -- i -- i spoke with him that day after. i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don't know. i don't, i don't know that -- when those conversations happened. >> i talked to the president's -- i've talked to the president so many -- i've certainly talked to the president. >> let's discus that and more with a key member of the committee, democratic congress...

The 5th more than 100 times during his deposition this week. that's not exactly stone walling, per se, the right to self-incrimination is a venerable part of the constitution, though there are critics who view it differently. >> so five people take the fifth amendment, like you see on the mob, right? you see the mob takes the fifth. if you are innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? >> that was trump complaining about aides to hillary clinton. joining me now is lorraine lohria, a member of the january 6th committee. thank you for being with us right now. the jeffrey clark case is int...