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Prize, someone like paul manafort or michael flynn is likely to take the fall. >> given everything we know, you first heidi and then ken. we talked about the power of the prosecution team. the top woman in terms of money laundering mab brought in. you put them against this team that can't shoot straight, trump may be saying i'm on the losing team here. >> the one thing they want to avoid is looking like they're trying to stone wall and like theyor not being cooperative. the one big takeaway you have is you have one lawyer accusing another lawyer trying to con sale things. >> now everybody know...

Campaign, donald trump kept saying that the russians had nothing to do with it. his own campaign advisers knew they were told that russia wanted to help. that's a big importance of the june 9th meeting. you put that stuff together. it's not smoke. it's fire. this is a cover-up, they've been stone walling again and again. donald trump was trying to do business with russia and then six months later, russia trying to help the trump campaign. it not very complicated. but i think in our current sort of one party rule in congress and the white house, they -- the political conversation conversation d...

$2.8 million. >> it was an example off extraordinary flimflammery. >> audittors found trump in this letter he signed formally authorized accounting changes that understated the hotel's profits to lower what was owed the city in rental fees. >> uniquey? it was very sneaky. he cheated the city a substantial sum of money. >> she was the new york city auditor general in 1986. and it took a couple of years, tons of stone walling on the part of trump, but container ber seen the and her team did audit and report on how trump was running that business. and her public report concluded that basically tr...

Were withdrawn, but i'm not certain. >> why can't we get that answered by the white house? why won't the white house answer that basic question? >> my guess is they're uncomfortable with the answer so they're stone walling. there's a lot of trouble getting a lot of questions answers, all questions pointed with problem with the administration and problems with the russia relationship. >> how can you get help answering the questions? >> ultimately a subpoena. that gets back to your point about when will republican chairman, republicans have all the gavels in congress right now, authorize those s...

His family has been completely stone walling. the only reason we have any truth is the press. >> that's exactly right. what we've seen is every time "the new york times" gets new information, bhs the white house reacts. >> he hates the truth. >> that's how we're getting the information out. >> this is something needs to be looked into further. all of us journalists. when this meeting was taking place, we know for a fact, from the media reports, that trump was physically present at trump tower. we know about morning, a couple hours before he had a luncheon where manafort was. he was interwith t...