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Campaign? >> the actions are under review and under investigation took place prior to him being part of the president's campaign. >> just before i get your reaction, i just want to point out, that's not true. the most recent set of charging documents describe activities that happened during the campaign and into the transition. but what do you make of that? >> well, that's the first thing i make. you took the words from my mouth. for starters, it's not true. and it's this very brittle bobbing and weaving that she is wont to do. but the overall refrain, i'm put in mind of the famous monty pytho...

Well, it has always been my view that he wants to avoid it like the plague. the perjury trap idea that his allies are pro pounding doesn't make a lot of sense. the reason it's not a perjury trap is because if he is guilty of obstruction, as he seems to be, it's not a trap. he either has to tell the truth or lie. those are his choices. but i think that it's always been the case not withstanding this bravado on his part how he loved to talk to mueller. and the lawyers being care to feel say we're going to decide. i think it's always been the case that it's something they need to avoid, that the ...

Over the past few weeks, the special counsel has unveiled some very special indictments. first the indictments against 13 nationals including a kremlin-connected oligarch for waging information warfare on the 2016 election. then remember the surprise guilty plea by a dutch lawyer who no one really heard of who lied to investigators crucially about communications with gates and paul manafort pertaining to work he did on behalf of pro kremlin interests in ukraine. and then finely, that man, gates' long-awaited guilty plea last week, along crucially with an agreement to cooperate fully with muell...

Crimes. and trump has some very vast business holdings, as do many people who are very close to him. so even if you can make the argument that manafort and gates didn't have that much to do with the trump campaign or the president, they should be concerned for exactly that reason. mueller seems unlimited in his investigation, and if he sees a crime, comes across a crime, he's going to indict. >> certainly going back years, as well, to pursue that. let me ask you about something susan rice wrote in a letter, "president obama and his national security team were justifiably concerned about potent...

Various people. so we don't know exactly what it is that tripped him up at this point but it does raise questions. people say, do you need security clearance. he wants to be our negotiating for middle east peace. it is hard to see how do you that without having the most upto date information that american government has on israelis, palestinians and arab states and so forth. that's a pretty big obstacle for anyone in that role if you didn't have that kind of security clearance. this is a big deal for him. >> washington post reported that a person referenced in michael flynn's fwiguilty plea ma...