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In, whitaker, during that hearing. if you lie to congress, that's a crime. >> yeah. the idea that he was appointed for any other reason than to protect donald trump from the justice department and from the mueller investigation is pretty ludicrous. do you think he was picked because he is the best lawyer in the united states? did he give any indication that he is even a good lawyer, much less the kind of person who is the attorney general, when bill barr certainly is? the explanation of how he became the acting attorney general was -- did strain credibility. you can see why the democrats are u...

Little bit. some of the things lanny davis said during the interview. we give colleague hallie jackson credit for pushing back on some of the points he made. but when you have somebody that is making that many inaccurate statements then follows it up and says, you can rest assured my client is going to testify three times in the next how next two and a half three weeksz as he's preparing for jail. it raises significant questions. >> i think we could rename our station or network, it does strain credibility. >> you're saying the same thing in a different way. >> everybody gets in trouble, this ...

You know how a russian ambassador works and what they are trying to get when they meet with someone as important as one of the closest advisors for the republican candidate for president. how could jeff sessions not realize what the russian ambassador's game plan was? >> it does strain credibility. i've -- i know ambassador kisslyiac. he is a veteran of russian diplomacy. and he's a hard guy to forget if you have met with him. and so i understand what attorney general sessions is saying here. but i think he's got a real problem at this point, which is it's inevitably going to lead to recusal o...

That their majority in the senate shrunk and they lost the house and of course now it is intractable because you've got a joint leadership, you know, more by partisan congress and of course it's going to be more difficult now. but it really does sort of strain credibility for president obama to just try to blame it all on republicans when they did -- they've ran the tables for two years and we still are in a mess. jon: we'll see what happens in november. that is going to be interesting. charlie hurt from the washington times. thank you. >> thanks, jon. jenna: more missteps in the drew petersen...