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He needs that part of the base to essentially sign off on any kind of compromise piece of legislation he agrees to. are you hearing anything about a potential deal coming together behind the scenes and what would that even look like at this point? >> well, there were reports yesterday and of course part of the ritual here is both sides want to appear as if they're willing to negotiate. when in reality it's very clear at this point that they're dug in and there's an a absolute stalemate. we saw mike pence march up to the capitol, drive up to the capitol and go into the offices, the suites of ch...

The majority of americans say we don't want the wall. democrats are saying why should the american taxpayers foot the bill initially even if mexico reimburses us ultimately? has he lost any footing because mexico is not footing the bill? >> well, he loses the credibility. mexico will pay for this wall and mexico is not paying for this wall. the bigger issue though is i think the democrats have staked out a reasonable position. we will increase funding for border control but not a wall. and for a lot of americans, that seems pretty good. >> let me press you on that point. do democrats run the r...

So much push back. one of the things that's been most frustrating with people on both sides of the aisle trump has not provided any information behind his decision explaining why what he's doing is actually the right thing, despite what all of the foreign policy experts said. even when he comes oud and says, well, turkey is going to take over he hasn't explained how they'll take over and how it's more effective than what the united states is already doing. he's making the decisions in his head apart from the advice of experts and those who know. >> i think this is an important point, ali, who ...

That's particularly resonating with me because you know i worked in the leadership office, i worked for harry reid. i wrote statements like this. i remember one time i had my boss -- i wrote something and it was nothing written artfully and he scolded me and he said don't understand what comes out of this office it moves markets. people's retirements rely on this. people's lives go up and down based on what we say. so you have to be careful with language. and the fact that this president two years into office understanding the gravity of understand the as not captured that, that is so telling ...

Could have again put the pressure on the president and made him make a decision. three, the 2020 hopefuls on the democratic side which is everybody's favorite game i'm curious to see how they're reacting. people like beto o'rourke, elizabeth warren. some are talking about how stupid the wall is and the border crisis. it's interesting to see how they use this. >> i love this point that you raise because i think this is critical and it helps us to kind of think about the dynamics moving forward as we head into 2019 and 2020. this divide between the president's base which ali was talking about an...