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They apply them. >> do his rulings reflect that he is just an umpire calling the balls and strikes here? >> no, no. he is trying to diminish his role. but there is no strike zone? judges. there is judgments in judging. and of course the chief knows that. >> only too well. he voted against type to save obamacare. >> roberts says his to fellow republicans you want to overkurn turn obamacare help yourself but i'm not doing it for you. >> his vote in the affordable care act case was not easy at all. in fact he switched twice behind the scenes. and he had to have known how much conservative anger h...

Is, okay, lindsey, you be the first one over the trench. >> if there were a scenario where dod could come up with a strike zone that would not have any casualties, would you support that kind of military response? given how provocative iran has been? >> clearly there has to be a response. there are many different kinds of responses. your captain sitting next to you, retired, said elicited probably five or six within three or four seconds. i don't need to repeat all of them, there are many different ways to go about this. clearly there has to be an accountability here. no doubt about that. is t...

And honest debate, i did not participate in the campaign after that. >> let's take look at that, actually. we read what you said at the time. people are cynical about the political process. i happen to believe it is a noble and honorable profession. if the american people are to believe that, we must act honorably and that's what i tried to do here. so to put you in the strike zone, middle of the plate, ball down the field question. how does what you did in that moment differ from what the president says he wants in 2020. >> yeah. well the president is playing by a different set of baseball ru...

And second, anything that arises directly out of that. but let's talk about that for a minute because the things that may arise directly out of an investigation into, for example, paul manafort's financial dealings could very well implicate state laws in any number of states. that's where the coordination is not only appropriate, it's necessary because bob mueller cannot dig into and bring charges in state cases. that's why i have assumed all along there has been just this kind of coordination between the mueller team and when they find evidence of state crimes, any number of state jurisdictio...

Directly out of that. but let's talk about that for a minute because the things that may arise directly out of an investigation into, for example, paul manafort's financial dealings could very well implicate state laws in any number of states. that's where the coordination is not only appropriate, it's necessary because bob mueller cannot dig into and bring charges in state cases. that's why i have assumed all along there has been just this kind of coordination between the mueller team and when they find evidence of state crimes, any number of state jurisdictions implicated. >> ari, what are t...