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What the never trumpers and former republicans who are now out to beating the drums to say , you cannot support him and you cannot support the people who support his attitude towards our country. >> on the issue of healing and getting better as a country, reading your article, i feel like i get the diagnosis. we talk about how things essentially diagnosed this problem of loneliness being a health problem in the country and you describe it as a real political problem. i get in a fundamental way this idea about atomized disconnect populations only primed for extremism, which is what makes us for...

Coexist of a constitutional margin. >> the president who is attempting to unravel the foundations of our constitutional republic. we have to choose because republicans cannot both be loyal to donald trump and loyal to the constitution. >> with that in mind we are all here but we are also joined by ruth ben-ghiat, professor at nyu, author of strongmen, mussolini to the president. welcome to the discussion. >> thank you. >> we talk so much about law and even if it wasn't a we are in a society even wasn't a table of lawyers that is steeped in law. you've written up beyond that lens, there are iss...

Destroyed our country. they're opening our borders, they're weaponizing our federal law enforcement against patriotic americans who love this nation as we should. we know that only through forced do we make any change in a town like washington, d.c.. >> only through force. the kind of rhetoric should be used to be rare. it's a norm now in republican politics. and her newsletter she, writes for the seasoned information warrior, even the iowa state fair, a family event is fair game. working and calls for violence where people are enjoying themselves as a is ideal for recipe, would you like some ...

Moments. now his most recent threatening post has a virts authoritarian signaling, his campaign is doubling down, calling it, quote, the definition of political speech. joining me now, new york university history professor, and the author of strongmen, from mussolini to the presents, ruth ben-ghiat. ruth, it's always too nice iselin time with. you always land such a perspective for us to understand how all this. vets we kind of gets deep in the weeds sometime on the legal issues, et cetera. you really give us the context. let's start with that post. if you go after me, i'm coming after you. tr...

Want those ratings. that's donald trump's ploy on this entire country. a ploy for ratings. going to businesses and going to people who feel left out and appealing to them and getting their support. crowd size, ratings, that's his sweet spot. that's how he gets people under -- >> you left out the most important thing for him hessian -- he wants money. we were talking about the $250 million that he stole from people for the, quote, stop the steal effort. >> mm-hmm. >> i think jack smith has to circle back around. that's a jim and tammy faye bakker scheme. that's a steve bannon scheme on a large ...