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Standards for teaching black history. and the lack of action to address the black maternal mortality crisis in a post-roe v. wade landscape. in the words of congresswoman terry soul of alabama, old battles have indeed become new again. joining me now is the chair of the congressional black caucus, congresswoman steve hearts for the. and nyu history professor and author of strongmen, mussolini to the president. ruth ben-ghiat. thank you both very much for coming to the sunday show. this is an interesting pairing. the conversation that we are about to have is going to merge what each of you has ...

Really excellent people beside you. the thing about trump as we have seen is that everybody, they've always been replaced by somebody who's worse. that does not bode very well, for the next administration. >> thank you very much, my friend, matt. you get to stick around, we've got more work for you. coming, up putting trump's obsession with retribution to work. and we find out what the proper context for that is. the author of strongmen joins us, and the former presidents legal troubles might actually get worse this week. we break down what is to expect in d.c. and atlanta. also ahead, a new t...

Is a run for revenge. so what does that mean for our country? let's ask ruth ben-ghiat history professor at new york university and author of strongmen, mussolini to the president. ruth, it is always a pleasure to chat with you. i just want to get your initial take on how dangerous trump's demands are for retribution especially if he's telling voters it's on their behalf. you know when he comes in and says, i am your retribution, people are eating that up. what does it potentially mean for the country going forward? >> they are. so there's one in this speech, one sort of discourses for the gop...

There has been a lot of overlapping and mutually reinforcing approaches that were taken with italy. italy is a nato ally, and they are a very competent n.i.l.a. nato ally, and they have been a tremendous supporter of ukraine. they're hosting 170,000 ukrainians on italian soil. >> history has taught us that necessary allegiances come from unlikely allies. but will america's principals have to be compromised in order to reach a just and moral and in ukraine? joining me now from ukraine, the independent journalist terrell jermaine starr, also with us professor of history ruth ben-ghiat, author of...

Presidential power, and quote. and, quote, to bring independent agencies under presidential control. donald trump tried to destroy our democracy. if reelected, he is likely to try to finish the. job ruth ben-ghiat is a professor of history at the new york university. she is the author of strongmen, she joins me now. ruth, let's start with the reporting and in your times, there is actually a plan in motion not just to obliterate the deep state or cleansed it, or whatever he says, it's to actually expand presidential power. again, you're a historian. you see when we move from democracy to a talk...