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interested in hearing what they're thinking is as well. director daly: i agree with director cohen. two things, and this is just estimates in terms of money. it seems that not accounting for the granite bid having more vendors, sbe dollars included, which are not as valuable in terms of work on the ground, but it seems as if there is about a $15 million difference in the total amount of money going to sbe and the bids, but there is over a $20 million difference in the bids. i think that if the numbers were flipped, then you would sort of have to judge what the value of the higher par...

so you do not count vendors and suppliers at the same percentage that you count and actual subcontractor because you recognize that to buy materials and pass it on to your subcontractor is not creating as many jobs as putting someone out there with a hard hat. if you look at the actual subcontractor participation, they are nearly identical. granite is at 11.15% for actual subcontractor sbe's and dbe's. when you add in suppliers at a discounted credit, so to speak, setting the competitor up to 23.3, and it also brings granted up to around 17%. i just want to know for you some of the h...