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People who lost sons and brothers in vietnam? >> i think it's insulting. i think it is insulting what the commander-in-chief of the united states just said about the vietnam. as if it was a choice for most of them. most of them were drafted and they didn't have a choice to serve. yet they still went. if you are a true patriot, you respond when your nation calls you to duty this president did not go. in fact, he used his privilege to come one a story of some kind of bone spurs in order to dodge this draft and frankly for those families who lost loved ones, who were drafted or those who voluntee...

Knew nothing about wealthy kids that i went to high school or lived with that were able to game the system and get out of it. was that out there? it was out there. it's always been out there. as you know it's a big issue, 1992, when bill xhnts was running for president. i think to resurrect it without all the facts is inaccurate. i knew of nothing that wealthy kids were getting out of it and the -- what i did know is that vietnam war got everybody studying harder so that you can get your student deferment and that to me would have been the biggest difference between an "a" student or "c" and "...

The issue. how did donald trump avoid serving in vietnam? >> he did it in a way that was very popular at the time. first, he was a student at a university and sought and obtained student deferment. it's officially called a class 2s student deferment and then after his sophomore year he transferred to the university of pennsylvania and got another class 2-s student deferment and then he got an examination -- a medical examination by the armed forces and got what was essentially called a medical deferment. it's called a 1-y classification. when asked about it over the weekend he said -- and we'v...

Resulting from their obedience to that call. in my view that's the cry of the chicken hawk who has no idea what it means to have the courage to put your life at risk to defend your country and its ideals. but the senator from massachusetts knows it all too well. when our country went to war in southeast asia, the senator from massachusetts enlisted in the navy, he requested to be sent to vietnam to fight for his country. the easy thing to do would be to simply vote for all defense bills, no matter what it says inside them, and pretend that these votes are the real measure of patriotism. that's...

Robert kennedy telling college kids in vietnam i'm not for student deferment, i haven't heard a moment of that. >> tom, is that a fair take, that mitt romney has yet to show himself to be a guy who is willing to tell hard truths like chris christie of new jersey has told his -- >> no. i think that is the case. he strikes me as a man in northern michigan when the ice is thin, tried to get to one side to the other without falling through and taking very careful steps and not taking the big bold steps at the time and at some point my guess is he's going to have to do that to truly connect. it's g...