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Money that the president is trying to divert from military construction projects that are as a result of the national emergency day he declared after he failed initially to get this approved through congress. that's a total of $12.2 billion. now, how is he going to pay for this all? through domestic spending cuts. $2.7 trillion in spending cuts. that's everything from student loan programs, environmental protection, transportation and welfare assistance, foreign aid, a range of programs as the president is also seeking to increase defense spending as well. that's not going to do much to deal w...

And the cost of college, and that kind of is a ratchet that keeps going. i assume that you think that would be even more so if you gave free college to even. >> yeah. if you give free college, first of all, where are the colleges going to get their money p? right now they get some of it from student tuition. the presumption here is somehow the government is going to write checks to colleges for whatever tuition fee they set. well, we know how that's worked over the last 30, 40 years since we put in the federal student loan programs, fees have soared. and there's finish the ed is incorps verita...

In washington that matters. but the bottom line is they want more access to government contracts, to government research projects. they want -- there are any number of agencies that spend man at institutions around the country. and the hbcus want a bigger piece of that. they also want the changes to student loan programs because so many of their students are dependent on financial aid. this was a criticism during the obama years that were changes that hurt black and minority students at these schools. >> education secretary bets eide voss i want to ask you about backlash she is getting for a s...

Unions coming out and opposing her. there is going to be questions from elizabeth warren. she sent a lengthy letter to devos asking about her views on higher education for example, and how she might manage student loan programs that are overseen by the federal government. as you know that's been a big issue for senator warren and other progressives who stan on a platform for free education for all americans. i think you are going to be seeing focus on that as well. it hasn't been escalated to the number of votes that would stop her from becoming secretary of education. there are other nominees...

University and author of "why government fails so often." good morning to you, peter. okay, so why does government fail so often? >> there are a lot of reasons. their incentives create the wrong incentives for people to do things. the v.a., for example. the idea to raise the numbers rather than to serve people well and on time. sometimes programs are designed to fail. the farm subsidies program, for example, everybody knows the money is going to the wrong people but they have very strong interests in washington that are well protected. sometimes the programs are, they create moral hazard. the ...