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Money, the candidate, and the donors conspired together to violate the campaign finance rules. and here, if this money is just thrown into a pot and they're all just, you know, using it to run off every, you know, person who has an allegation to make, then really, does the president know what that it's being used for? i would submit that what they're doing is, they are just trying to distance -- they're helping michael cohen and distances him -- >> and one of the things we learned here is that the difference between campaign finance violations that nobody ever gets in trouble for and the campa...

Money, the candidate and the donors conspired together to violate the campaign finance rules. here if this money is thrown into a pot and they are all using it to run off every person who has an allegation to make then really does the president know what that is being used for. what they are doing is trying t cohen and distancing him. >> the campaign finance violations that you get charged with and go to jail for is when they are willing and knowing and willful violations. trying to separate the president's knowledge and intent makes the difference as to whether or not this is serious. it's wo...