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>> well, that's actually -- >> and unfortunately for those on both sides, republicans and democrats who say we're going to cut discretionary spending, but we're not going to touch the mandatory stuff. that's what they're doing. they're cutting education. they're playing into the chinese hands. they're cutting r&d. they're playing into the chinese hands. they're cutting transportation. they're playing into all of our competitors' hands over the next century. it seems so shortsighted. >> i agree 100%. it's a matter of priorities. we live in an age where you don't have to choose between guns and ...

Flank. but some of this stuff was already on the table last year. >> and i think that's a really important point that the republicans don't give obama credit for. that he has put a lot of that stuff on the table. and he is prepared to go there. in terms of that mechanism, david, my understanding is the same as yours. it would be something like that. but remember, these guys hate the fiscal cliff. you know, it has caused this enormous problem. so the idea of setting up another fiscal cliff six months from now is pretty unappealing. but they'll have to go there. they just haven't quite figured o...

Of a couple of days ago. what's your big takeaway from this poll? >> by the way, what's different is that we offered the both part of this. >> oh, okay. >> abc did not. >> there you go. >> how you word a question and what you offer, that stuff does matter. we believe in offering that because we think that there are a lot of people that look at it that way. not everything is "a" versus "b." some people say that's all of washington. and you have to account for those guys in washington. they don't know what they're doing. and people do throw away their partisan hat when it comes to judging that. ...

>> those are tough words! >> you know the old bob novak, he used to say that republicans were put on earth to cut taxes. and if they don't, they have no purpose. >> no purpose, yeah. >> that was bob novak. you know, all of a sudden we're faced with a set of circumstances where we're talking about cutting taxes on spending, and now we've got stuff on the table to react to, and conservatives don't feel comfortable with what's on the table. >> so what is it that conservatives would like to have happen? in other words, compromise. you need compromise to get a deal done, but you're sort of saying d...

You. the u.s. terror agency -- >> i don't even know what that means. you just happen to disagree with me. >> harboring some hostility here? >> no, i think it's interesting. we've had some interesting debates about the slippery slope. on every level. i'm not going to -- >> you argue against this kind of stuff when republicans do it. it's interesting how this will be explained. i want to understand it. >> here's the deal. u.s. terror agency can acquire entire databases ranging from flight travel to families hosting foreign exchange students and can keep the belonging for innocent citizens for fi...