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Melania trump speak out in support of her husband and his claims of birtherism. i think a better question for jared is, you were involved in the campaign. why did you not speak out on it then? i think this response from jared, it's why so many people believe it's not just the president who traffics racism, but it's the administration as whole. what jared could have said was that was not an appropriate thing to do. he could have distanced himself from the comments and spoke about what he's doing to improve relationships with people of the muslim faith and people who are not white and he didn't ...

>> why is there no plan b? we heard the list of names that they narrowed down to two. >> the other parts of the quote said there's no plan b, he's too big to fail, we are all in on kavanaugh come hail or high water. one of the big things that helped trump in 2016, all the "access hollywood" stuff aside, and the folks said it's the supreme court, i will vote for trump for the supreme court. >> and the supreme court has elevated as a concern for democrats and liberal voters, which is unusual. we lean on you for law and security but i want to lean on you as a witness to humanity and people around...

Manafort is being treated unfairly. he's sitting in jail and hasn't been convicted. i don't downtoubt that's coming. the optics of pardoning someone during the investigation could look like obstruction. >> but if you think they're going to flip, would it be possible to try to cut that off? >> it's possible, absolutely. then we'll get into the legal weeds here. if you pardon someone early enough where they're not facing any criminal expose uthen they have no fifth amendment privilege. then bob mueller or another prosecutor could call that person as a witness and force them to festify about what...

On it, michael, what hadn't been acted on this year, the promises that were made especially to the trump base. >> absolutely. you noticed the last couple of times the president has done those gaggles. oh, yeah, the wall. we're still going to do the wall. his folks are still listening and paying attention. the bright shining objects of alabama and all that other stuff aside, he's going to have to deliver something and it starts this week. >> two great guests. thank you so much for coming on with us tonight. and coming up what the legacy of the past two presidents can teach us. the author of t...

Times the president has done those gaggles. oh, yeah, the wall. we're still going to do the wall. his folks are still listening and paying attention. the bright shining objects of alabama and all that other stuff aside, he's going to have to deliver something and it starts this week. >> two great guests. ken thomas, michael steele, gentlemen, thank you so much for coming on with us tonight. and coming up what the legacy of the past two presidents can teach us. the author of the new book on bushes 41 and 43 will be with us when we continue. jimmy's gotten used to his whole room smelling like ...