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Position, we had one year built into this, we are not reversing course, they are trying to spin this this thing, but does it not look like they were caught flat footed? >> the last question, is the key, the polling sort of shows the white house is on the side of popular opinion, even among catholics about you know 50 to 55% of catholics support this process. back to what luke said, the dna of this fight was the stupak amendment, because the women's groups were upset about the fact that that had to be put into the bill and they were equally angry when kathleen sebelius came out against the expa...

They don't know that the white house has a commitment to standing up for women's rights on an issue like this? >> well, look, i was the co-chair of the pro choice caucus when we passed the affordable health care act, and we saw what the bishops are willing to do with the stupak amendment that would restrict a woman's right to choose and other things. and we think it's much better to get this out in the open right now to raise the issues, to let the white house know as they promulgate this final regulation that the vast number of pro choice members -- well, all of the pro-choice members of cong...

You think there is concern among women's health advocates on something like this because they are concerned more broadly that they don't know that the white house has a commitment to standing up for women's rights on an issue like this? >> well, look, i was the co-chair of the pro choice caucus when we passed the affordable health care act, and we saw what the bishops are willing to do with the stupak amendment that would restrict a woman's right to choose and other things. and we think it's much better to get this out in the open right now to raise the issues, to let the white house know as t...

Where was it before the hours right before the, quote, dramatic government shutdown, where was this issue? it was not being -- >> well, it was planned parenthood. >> i don't remember it ratcheting up and becoming number one. >> it always comes in the in the last few days. the last few days on health reform were not spent talking about delivery system reform or medicare reform or any of those aspects, but spent on how do you make sure that federal funds do not go through these to pay for abortion -- >> that was the stupak amendment. >> and it cost him his job when he went back on that. >> it's ...

Putting the word "fact" in your name does not automatically grant you mastery of the facts. when karl rove in "the wall street journal" that barack obama had the worst ratings of any president at the end of his first year, politifact rated that mostly true. own though his approval rating was 49%. and ronald reagan posted a 48% approval rating at the end of his first year. did not matter to politifact. they rated the statement as mostly true. apparently the word "true" means a lot less. they also said that democratic congressman low we's amendment of the stupak amendment, politifact had said ab...