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Capability, but in the last several weeks they've put them out to sea. they stayed a sea a bit longer than the u.s. has seen them do that in the part and appear to be trying to test on land the ability to launch a missile out of a submarine. what does that give them? well, at the end of the day, if they can do it and a submarine say out submerged hidden from the u.s., that would give the north koreans the ability to survive a u.s. first strike against them. that gives them a huge leap forward in their military capabilities. something the u.s. does not want to see happen, wolf. >> yes. another ...

Missile. how true do you think that claim is? >> that's the claim a. few days ago, the person that ones the north defense aerospace command talked about defending against north korea, in case they have the capably to launch a submarine or intercontinental missile. he claims. i believe him. he's a great man, that we can defend. we need more sensors. if they give a submarine capability. that's a game changeer. even though they have older submarine, mostly diesel powered. they can get toward the shores of the united states and some of their other enemies and launch these things. they haven't show...

They failed. they were plugging in the wrong numbers. they weren't calculating it right. they spent two years looking in the wrong stretch. they recalculated using a new kind of math and found it within a week. >> besides being great at math, what do they need? i mean, what kind of equipment will they use? are we talking submarines, explorer vessels? >> in air france 447 they were able to use for the first time a new kind of high-tech underwater autonomous vehicle, basically a robot sub that could on its own navigate under water, go along a straight line and when they get to a mountain range -...

Coastal defenses by air and sea and without putting u.s. troops on the ground. so there's a number of things to do, but i think for the most part we'll abide by international law and stay out of their waters and if they end up mining the strait we might do what we did in 1988. we went in there and cleared the pathway for tankers and we escorted tankers and never got to the stage of conflict of hostilities of shooting at each other and those are the options. none of us want to go to war with iran and none of us certainly want a ground war of any sort. >> jamie: that's why i asked the question, ...

Complacent. we cannot rest on our laurels. we have to maintain pressure on china. the north koreans are very good at ratcheting up tensions and then ratcheting them down and staying just below that threshold of war, meantime they are buying time to improve their icbms to get more mobile launchers to go from liquid fuel to solid fuel, which means they can launch faster and even develop a submarine capability. so we have to keep the pressure up. >> martha: i mean it's clear that this is far from over. but, jamie, let me turn to you because i can't remember a time when we saw this sort of dynamic...