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There is no question about it. and then, so, by default, so did claudine gay. what >> we did not have, though -- we did not have at m.i.t.'s -- when people are asking for the resignation of that president, we have not had to return to the question of whether the president was qualified to be president at all. and that's the question, when we get to claudine gay -- why is it that, once again, we have an african american woman in a position of leadership, when people are upset about something she did substantively, which they have a right to be upset about the testimony, but the attack on her th...

We have not had people turn to the question of whether or not the president was was qualified to be president at all. and that is the question, when we get to claudine gay, why is it that, once again, we have an african american woman in positions of leadership when people are upset about something she did, substantial substantively, when people have a right to be upset about, but the attack that does korean is the one about her qualifications. should she even have the job to start with? i've said this before, i work for the vice president. i have seen how people come after kamala harris. not ...

He is not doing that in delaware. likely dc or california. where crimes were committed or hunter biden has been residing. once you are designated special council, you can investigate anything that comes up. there has to be concern on this potentially ballooning as it goes on. >> sara murray, thank you. perspective from evan osnos. the life, the run, and what matters now. ashley allison who served on the 2020 biden campaign. how big is this news? the appointment of the special council? that plea deal negotiations have collapsed? >> substantively, it shouldn't change things. they have investigat...

Hour, so you didn't have to, you know what they're -- jack smith made it very clear, you want to lie, you want to tell stories, go for it. this is not what this is about. this is about trying to hurt the american people and keep them from the voting. changing the outcome of the election. fox news is going to have a hard time keeping this banner and keeping this argument up for a long. because jack smith is making it really clear, it is what trump did. >> just understand what jen said, a lot of times in politics who are costs pressured between things that are important and right, and things tha...

We, the people, have the bureaucracy unelected constantly imposing its will on us. howard: let me get one more in here. chris christie, who was on this program a couple weeks ago, says he's the only one that goes directly are at trump, insult for insult, calling him a coward, and that the rest of you just dance around for fear of fending him or his supporters. does he have a point? >> i don't do insults, so that is true. i think just getting in this insult game turns voters off. it's not something i want to do. substantively, we've been very frank at our differences with respect to the former ...