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? because you know he his, his side continues to argue that this is just another example of the legal system being weaponized. could this in a way in a perverse way, i guess once again help him at some point. we'll see about that. i mean, the reality is this is one of the lines of inquiry that is potentially very damaging to the former president. much more so than the new york case. we've been talking about really nauseam for the last several weeks, so this is one of the things where legally speaking, he may complain about this ruling, but substantively, this is a very serious investigation in...

One of the most substantive politicians, foreign views on governing -- but he has been going after desantis a very hard. and it's been very much, substantively, interesting. interestingly -- and it is a reminder of how much that was the case back in 2016. because it's on medicare and social security, and he wants to raise the retirement, age that he wants to cut your benefits, that he's a global, is that he's against ethanol. all this stuff, it's surprising to me how substantive it is. but it's also illuminate the facts that part of his comparative advantage in 2016 was being closer to the bas...

At this point. >> this is silly. you can tell that someone in nikki haley's camp poll tested this and said that you will get an action and response to this. and in the first case, you have the first lady punching down to her. but this is a silly, selly messaging point, and you are running for the president of to united states, and this is the lone point that the people can associate with you. i think that the aim of the candidate should be discussed substantively, and the age of congress could be discussed substantively, and it is just a silly, silly point. >> z -- no, no.

That president biden was in ukraine, russia tried to test a ballistic missile and let's begin with phil mattingly once again in warsaw. what's to come of biden's meetings today. >> it's interesting. this is not the dramatic symbolism of the monday surprise visit to kyiv nor is it the widescale rhetorical flourish that we saw in his prime time remarks in warsaw, but substantively, this meeting that went behind closed doors for more than an hour and we haven't seen the president depart for one point in time and it's critical of the eastern-flanked countries of the alliance and they're the tip of...

We're gonna hear from substantively, is the one in georgia, and we may hear from them this week. and if you thought it was a bad look for our american version of one of these guys, to be attacking, you know, the press for challenging, him to be attacking the fbi the justice department for investigating him. what's around the corner for democracy veasey knighted what's around the corner for us if he's indicted, is an attack on the specific system, which now and poses a threat. >> specific system that holds the power to indict him, potentially arrest, him to put him in, court to put him on trial...