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Out of it and the other two looking vigorous and young and can we trust him with the car keys anymore? that gets right at the idea biden doesn't have a fast ball and he can't beat trump. so i thought on kind of a subtext level it was one of the worst gaffes biden had just the way it played. >> eugene? >> i see mike's point and mike is a great observer of politics. i didn't think it was that big a deal for biden. i don't think it'll move his numbers. i think people know that about biden, they know that he's older. and so the people who are really worried about that are already worried about tha...

Happened. i know you thought that was a bigger deal moment than eugene did and we're going to get to eugene and why. obviously carol mosley braun is the senators name he was lacking and trying to correct it in real time trying to say the first instead. what do you think? >> i think it was less a question of the words. a tip is to watch big moments with no audio. and you saw joe biden looking out of the other two with genuine laughter looking vigorous and young and looking at grandpa like can we trust him with the car keys anymore. that gets right at the idea that biden doesn't have a fast ball...