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We thought it would lead to the release of isis prisoners, lead to greater instability in the region. we saw some of that. it puts into contrast our concerns about turkey's direction that they may be spinning out of the nato orbit. i have spoken publicly about that. turkey is a long-standing nato ally. they fought with us from korea to afghanistan and i think it's in all of our interest to mick sure we pull them in closer to nato and we preserve what is now a -- will soon be a 30 nation alliance, a very long-standing and capable alliance. >> a recent pent i don' pentagt says president trump's ...

What are you telling the kurds in regards to syria who feel that they've been yo -- abandond by the u.s. decision to pull out there. what are the conversations you have? >> i certainly understand that feeling at the tactical level. i've been there when you're on the ground with your friends and partners, brothers you shed blood with to defeat isis. we went into this with mutual interest, being the defeat of isis. isis had taken a lot of ground and territory that was -- that the sdf, the kurds owned, they inflected great harm. we came in. it was a great marriage that led to the physical defeat ...

That although he said he thinks that we're in a position to continue to combat isis but the most important and interesting comment was that turkey is spinning itself out of nato. and that means a lot if the secretary of defense is saying that about a nato partner, turkey. >> david, thank you for playing 24that round robin with me there and analyzing bret baier's pass nateing interview -- fascinating interview with the defense secretary. eric: we'll have a lot more from the defense secretary when he sits down with chris wall a has owallaceon fox news sunday,t 2:00 p.m. eastern on fox news. what...

Eight years it was over 38%. president reagan recognized the importance of human capital, of how critical our people are. it was president reagan's vision that brought me into the service. i under-- i went to military academy in 1982. i remember 1979, many of us remember when desert one fell in iran. remember that disastrous raid. here we are, 40 years later, we're able to pull off the raid, kill the leader of isis because of how far the country has come. ensuring we have highly capable, ready forces with cutting edge technology. that's what we're about. >> the very last question. what's it li...

Could by saying i have a great relationship with him. i think they're trying to keep that from blowing -- getting out of control. let's talk about syria in my last minute or so with you. that was brought up by brett and he asked if -- has the administration put turkey in a position that has disadvantaged the u.s. in any way and the secretary esper said no, turkey put turkey in a position that's bad for them, in spinning themselves out of the nato orbit. what do you think about that? >> i thought that was a fascinating comment from the secretary of defense. it was very insightful. i think he's ...