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Could by saying i have a great relationship with him. i think they're trying to keep that from blowing -- getting out of control. let's talk about syria in my last minute or so with you. that was brought up by brett and he asked if -- has the administration put turkey in a position that has disadvantaged the u.s. in any way and the secretary esper said no, turkey put turkey in a position that's bad for them, in spinning themselves out of the nato orbit. what do you think about that? >> i thought that was a fascinating comment from the secretary of defense. it was very insightful. i think he's ...

Foreign policy that it had under bush and to lesser extent, under obama. i think this is probably one of those instances. this was not a good test case. we had relatively small american investment and there was a lot of fear for turkey to come in. question is, would turkey start shooting at american soldiers and would there be american loss of life? that is the kind of thing where the president had to make a call. i think he made it in the worst possible way and this was one of those cases where for a relatively small investment, peace-keeping troops essentially could have prevented real damag...

Withdraws. i don't know how far the president would want them to withdraw, maybe back to initially agreed safe zone, turkey gone beyond that, getting forces back could be difficult. >> neil: critics will say he created this problem by making this move to remove the soldiers. he says they will remain in the region, do we know where they will be? >> some in southern part of syria. in terms of the president causing this, only 50 u.s. troops were stationed in the area between syria and turkey and erdogan indicated that he was going to make some sort of incursion into northern syria. first thing pr...

Syria. many people say the president could have done something about it, the president saw the writing on the wall and insisted he didn't want u.s. forces involved, he ultimately wants u.s. troops away from the fighting. you can take it for whatever you want to take it. was he the one who precipitated this or turkey was going to do it anyway? i think you could argue that point. >> neil: all right. john roberts, thank you. special forces, jim hansen. jim, what do you think what the president did here? >> jim: i think his decision to put crippling sanctions on turkey is absolutely warranted. erd...

Contemplating that safe zone two years ago. we did. it also, in addition to safe zone for turkey, had a safe zone for the kurds. what we need to do, find way to have both things, turkey have security and make sure allies, the kurds don't get wiped out. >> neil: is it wise to keep the troops in the region close by? >> jim: absolutely. at this point, we can't trust erdogan. he's gone way overboard. i mean, there are elements of ethnic cleansing, war crimes being committed by militia he turned loose. they are doing hellish things there. i think we need them to be close to make sure people know, s...