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They don't. they know him in new hampshire and iowa but a third of americans are undecided about him. they don't know who the guy is. that's his opportunity tomorrow night. if he can make his case well as a champion, we have a corrupt political system, potentially he can break beyond who is his liberal white base. >> that's what he is going to talk about. he's going to talk about what he calls the rigged economy, which is bolstered by this corrupt political finance system. hillary clinton of course has a huge super pact. bernie sanders funded by small donations. i wouldn't be surprised if he g...

It with conviction. >> reporter: barack obama as senator voted against it, sanders is quietly borrowing from obama's playbook. sanders and clinton have a long history together. their relationship goes back 25 years. when sanders got to the senate in 2007, the two co-authored the green jobs act and served on various committees and worked together to make primary care medicine more available. but just because hillary clinton isn't criticizing sanders, a super pact supporting her is connecting sanders to the late venezuela leader hugo chavez all because of a heading oil deal between chavez and ve...

If somebody told me he was going to have a super pact with 100 million. so it's proportional with what he was able to raise. >> it's not a good sign he's spending $25 million this early in the race. he would obviously prefer -- >> you would rather have the the money to spend -- >> donald trump is arriving here at the ronald reagan presidential library there is his vehicle. i think he's going to be arriving. that's what we're told. let's see if he walks out of this vehicle and gets ready to go inside. presumably he's going to watch the first debate and get ready for his debate. the first debate...

>> there is danger for candidates playing a long game. nobody expected trump to be this successful and last this long at a certain point -- >> including the two of us. >> he's far out front. depending on gambling everything on donald trump imploding, that could be bad. >> i think the strategy of many of the campaigns and i've spoken to them is just to hang in there because it's an honest point, they think there is great fluid in the system. it's not going to remain as constant as it is now and you want to be there if and when he falls. >> anna, you're a friend of jeb bush and marco rubio but i...

He has one super pact backing him. >> he has more than one. he says there are pacts forming because they love what we are doing here. donald trump has to play the traditional game of raising money when you're running a national campaign at some point. in fact, i think it's already started to happen. it's just this is a big promise that you're not going to take money, you're not going to fund-raise, and then when you start doing it, i think people start to say, maybe you -- >> what made him so attractive to supporters he is the unconventional candidate and maybe that is changing. thank you both...