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And if we can live well without causing harm to other animals, why wouldn't we? >> tucker: i agree with you. i'm going to say i agree with you completely there. but since most people are not going to start stopped eating d meat is delicious, why not make an effort to push the companies that are causing undue suffering, unnecessary suffering among animals, really mistreating them actually to clear up their act a little bit. instead of giving up meat entirely why not push these big factory farms to knock it off? >> i think that's important as well and we do support campaigns to limit the sufferi...

Why wouldn't we? >> tucker: i agree with you. i'm going to say i agree with you completely there. but since most people are not going to stopped eating meat and meat is delicious, why not make an effort to push the companies that are causing undue suffering, unnecessary suffering among animals, really mistreating them actually to clear up their act a little bit. instead of giving up meat entirely why not push these big factory farms to knock it off? >> i think that's important as well and we do support campaigns to limit the suffering on factory farms. we've been involved in c legislative effo...

Is a deregulation of campaign finance, of campaign spending, campaign fundraising that is going on as we speak. >> and the president's decision to go ahead and raise all of this money, not only in his bid to get the democratic nomination, he doesn't have an opponent, but to win the general election, for all practical purposes, he's announcing that he will forego financing for the campaign? >> yes, but this campaign is likely to look like the good old days in good order because there are still rules in effect, like how much an individual can give to a campaign. there is still the old, old rule ...