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Manuel lost his son and fred lost his daughter in the mass murder that killed 17 people at margery stoneman douglas high school in florida. the gunman who has been charged of that murder in parkland, florida, is an american citizen born here in this country and attended that same high school. a wall on their southern border would not have kept any of those 17 people alive. we are joined now by manuel, whose son was 17 years old and fred whose daughter was 14 years old when america's epidemic of mass murder came to their high school. and i wanted to show you both that moment in the hearing that...

Should be able to understand what we did and what we'll keep on doing as long as we are in this life. >> fred, what do you imagine congressman gaetz would say if the accused mass murderer was an undocumented resident of this country? >> well, if that were true, we would have been guests of the president at the state of the union. but because the killer of our children was an american male, we were not. but i do want to say that what congressman gaetz did takes the story away from the 40,000 a year who are murdered in this country, the real emergency. 40,000 people a year. and the problem is, w...

Was killed. somebody right now is planning a funeral for a loved one who was killed that will be happening tomorrow. somebody just buried a loved money who was killed. it is an epidemic. and when you have a congressman who will put on a political stunt like that rather than dealing with the emergency that is gun violence, it's shameful. and i think if he -- if the killer of our children was an undocumented immigrant that wasn't the case, he would have been having a political field day with it. but it didn't happen that way. >> and, mannie, i know that the congressman knows who fred is. fred ha...

>> is there a process in the committee whereby if the very same people are repeatedly interrupting the time of the members that those people will be asked to depart the committee, or is there -- >> i will. excuse me. >> fred, what did that feel like to you, to have the congressman point at you, wanting you thrown out of that room? >> you know, that congressman showed who he was. i felt like that was democracy at work. you had mannie and i simply not letting him get away with that nonsense. and i want to tell you something about my friend mannie sitting next to me because mannie has been in thi...

Congressional hearing? >> it was. fred is a pro when it gets to talking to politicians. that's not my cup of tea. it is not my field. but i thought that i needed to be there to support fred and the other parents and the kids. the kids are actually fighting for their lives and trying to have a better future. so i don't regret being there. i think that my presence there, it's a must. i need to be there. however, now that i'm there, i want to make sure we don't waste time in there. and this person was totally out of any context that was supposed to be discussed in that room. and my reaction and f...