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Times where she needed his support vis-a-vis the president and other people in the cabinet. the problem is the president has such a horrific management style, that he pits these people against each other and they start strafing each other when they should be collaborating. >> what john kelly said, if providing the president with the best and most open legal and ethical staffing advice from across the government so he could make an informed decision is working against trump then guilty as charged. that's how john kelly sees it. >> that's consistent with what he has said to me over the last year...

To happen is the iranian government has to decide that its own security is better served by not having nuclear weapons than by having them. it's a combination of economic pressures. it's a combination of more missile defense and cooperation in the gulf to show them that any attack -- we can defend against and react against. i think it's a combination of all of these different options in terms of trying to convince the iranians that they're headed down the wrong path. >> secretary clinton, it raises to me a larger question about the u.s. role in the world. this president tried engagement as he ...

Its own security is better served by not having nuclear weapons than by having them. it's a combination of economic pressures. it's a combination of more missile defense and cooperation in the gulf to show them that any attack -- we can defend against and react against. i think it's a combination of all of these different options in terms of trying to convince the iranians that they're headed down the wrong path. >> secretary clinton, it raises to me a larger question about the u.s. role in the world. this president tried engagement as he came into office, engagement with the iranians, with th...

The u.s. role in the world. this president tried engagement as he came into office, engagement with the iranians, with the north koreans. it hasn't worked. they don't want to talk, they don't want to dance with this president. so what is the next phase then? what is america's influence in the world? >> david, i would argue because the president was willing to offer engagement, we actually have more support vis-a-vis north korea and iran than was certainly present when he became president. the fact that iran and north korea have not responded makes our case in a way. if you look at north korea,...