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Erin Burnett OutFront-20150408-23:22:00

making the use of deadly force acceptable here. clearly the police first account in this case was false based on what we have seen in the video. what do you need to justice deadly force. can i threaten you, run away and can you shoot at me or do i have to be threatening you at the time? >> that's a great question. the law has changed. back in the old day, you watch the old detective movies in a felon was running away you could shoot them down. the law has changed. the supreme has ruled a police officer can use deadly physical force only if being threatened himself or if pursuing a felon who has endang terered the public loop looking at that video i don't see the public endangered. i think it's a clear cut case of not being able to use deadly force. >> it's so shocking. i want to go to elder james

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20150322:04:28:00

>> it's the equivalent of like phone sex. >> yes. >> it's vent sex. >> it's vent sex. yes. vent sex. >> she's a female. she's young. you know, she's no different than any other male/female together when they haven't been out on the street for a long time. you got to watch them just like you do the guys. >> privacy. i mean, you're talking through the vents. and obviously, i'm assuming other people can hear you. >> it's like a thrill to be heard. we have sex like that until she's very satisfied. >> how do you know she's not faking it? >> because i know. >> do you think he's listening. >> supreme? >> yeah? >> are you listening? >> yes. coming up -- >> he is my son. right or wrong, he's still going to be my son. >> carlton solomon's father speaks to the media. and --

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20150322:04:19:00

stuff like that. >> right. right. >> if anybody knows supreme, people would know i'm the more humble type with my authority. i'm guilty by association pretty much. mr. kitchings, guilty by association. >> well, i appreciate you talking to us, okay? but take my advice to heart and you just need to chill out. all right. you don't need any more charges before you go to court. all right, man. thank you. >> all right. >> take him back. >> you kind of flip-flopped. was some kind of hit put out on a specific officer? >> did i send it? no. do everybody think that i've done it? yes. they think that supreme has his hands in a lot of things. >> i think he wants to project himself as being very powerful. if he is projected as pulling that much power to have inmates assault officers, the other inmates might respect him more. might project him to be more of a powerful individual. personally, i do not believe gathers ordered the assault.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20150322:04:16:00

when it comes down to his gang affiliations here, his chest is out, he's out. >> mr. gathers refers to himself -- and i've heard other inmates refer to him as supreme. >> a lot of people call me supreme. supreme is the most high. i have a reputation that i must hold. >> officer last has observed gathers' influence over other inmates. >> if they're all yelling and screaming, he can stop them. if they're all quiet and he's mad, he can start them, as well. >> i can direct an inmate, a brother or a person, even a non-disciple. if i was to send word to the street to handle anything that needs to be taken care of, it will get handled. >> several weeks earlier, an inmate tied to folk nation assaulted an officer in the jail. now sergeant kitchings wants to find out if gathers was involved. >> rumor has it on the street that he's been putting out orders to assault officers. hopefully we're able to confirm or deny that information today.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20150102:09:16:00

and i've heard others refer to him as supreme. >> a lot of people call me supreme. supreme is the most high. i have a reputation that i must hold. >> officer last has observed his influence over other inmates. >> if they're all yelling and screaming, he can stop them. if they're all quiet and he's mad, he can start them as well. >> i can direct the inmate, a brother or a person. even a nondisciple. if i was to send word to the street to handle anything that needs to be taken care of, it will get handled. >> several weeks earlier, an inmate tied to folk nation assaulted an officer in the jail. now sergeant kitchens wants to find out if gathers is involved. >> rumor has on the street he's been putting out orders to assault officers. hopefully we were able to confirm or deny the information today. >> good evening. how are you doing? go ahead and have a seat.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20150102:00:28:00

know, to consider each other official. >> we do talk sexually through the vents and stuff, you know. >> it's the equivalent of like phone is next. >> yes. >> it's vent sex. >> it's vent sex. yes. vent sex. >> she's a female. she's young. you know, she's no different than any other male/female together when they haven't been on the the street for a long time. you got to watch them just like you do the guys. >> privacy. i mean, you're talking through the vents. and obviously, i'm assuming other people can hear you. >> it's like a thrill to be heard. we have sex like that until she's very satisfied. >> how do you know she's not faking it? >> because i know. >> do you think he's listening. >> supreme? >> yeah? >> are you listening? >> yes. coming up -- >> he is my son. right or wrong, he's still going to be my son.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20150102:09:28:00

>> it's vent sex. yes. vent sex. >> she's a female. she's young. she's no different than any other male or female together. so you still got to watch them just like you do the guys. >> you're talking through the vents. and i'm assuming other people can hear you. >> it's like a thrill to be heard. we have sex like that until she's very satisfied. >> how do you know she's not faking it. >> because i know. >> do you think he's listening? >> supreme? are you listening? >> coming up. >> he is my son. right or wrong, he's still going to be my son.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20150102:06:28:00

>> it's the equivalent of like phone sex? >> yes. >> it's vent sex. >> it's vent sex. yes. vent sex. >> she's a female. she's young. she's no different than any other male or female together. so you still got to watch them just like you do the guys. >> you're talking through the vents. and i'm assuming other people can hear you. >> it's like a thrill to be heard. we have sex like that until she's very satisfied. >> how do you know she's not faking it. >> because i know. >> do you think he's listening? >> supreme? are you listening? >> coming up. >> he is my son. right or wrong, he's still going to be my son. >> carlton solomon's father

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20150102:00:19:00

>> it's not in my nature to do stuff like that. >> right. right. >> if anybody knows supreme, people would know i'm the more humble type with my authority. i'm guilty by association pretty much. mr. kitchings, guilty by association. >> well, i appreciate you talking to us, okay? but take my advice to heart and just chill out. you don't need any more charges before you go to court. all right, man. thank you. >> all right. >> take him back. >> you kind of flip-flopped. was some kind of hit put out on a specific officer? >> did i send it? no. do everybody think that i've done it? yes. they think that supreme has his hands in a lot of things. >> i think he wants to project himself as being very powerful. if he is projected as pulling that much power to have inmates assault officers, the other inmates might respect him more. might project him to be more of a powerful individual. personally, i do not believe

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20150102:06:16:00

when it comes to gang affiliations, his chest is out. he's proud. >> mr. gathers refers to himself and i've heard others refer to him as supreme. >> a lot of people call me supreme. supreme is the most high. i have a reputation that i must hold. >> officer last has observed his influence over other inmates. >> if they're all yelling and screaming, he can stop them. if they're all quiet and he's mad, he can start them as well. >> i can direct the inmate, a brother or a person. even a nondisciple. if i was to send word to the street to handle anything that needs to be taken care of, it will get handled. >> several weeks earlier, an inmate tied to folk nation assaulted an officer in the jail. now sergeant kitchens wants to find out if gathers is involved. >> rumor has on the street he's been putting out orders to

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