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Flynn-stones. now the question will be are they getting rid of the mcmaster employees. they'll need their own name. >> yes, i was waiting to here. >> there's so much turnover that you have these funny names in this white house. a unit of time in this white house of ten days is known as a scaramucci because that's how long the communications director lastinge lasted. so the flynn-stones lasted several scaramuccis. >> let's bring it back to the impact of some of these turnovers and the issue being that the president doesn't always follow the guidance of the people around him. on thursday before ...

the former governor haley barbour. before leaving office he gave 14 pardons including a murderer. in an exclusive interview with cnn, eps he's sorry and has found god and changed his life. he worked in the governor's office as part of a prison program for three years and talked with the governor he said every day. >> reporter: your pardon, as you probably know by now, has triggered a lot of outrage. not just yours, of course. but the pardons of other prisoners. >> yes, sir. >> reporter: what do you think about that? >> well, you know, if the lord lay it on the governor's heart, the i...