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When people say to me on the phone, well, he acted that way in the calls because that's donald trump. >> but that is not -- that is not okay. >> that is what i'm asking. you're right, the surprise factor is definitely diminished over time severely. >> if barack obama -- he likes to bring up barack obama. if barack obama had done one-tenth of what he's done, barack obama would have been out the first day. >> and there is a difference from doing things in an unorthodox way which is what he promises and doing thing detrimental to our society and the global community. huge difference. >> but the p...

President knew about manafort. everybody knew what he was about overs overseas and made money in ways you might not want to know. the surprise factor very low for the president, in my estimation. secondly, paul manafort colluded with people connected to russian interference. >> this is a polling argument? >> it's not a polling argument. >> the polling, you made that argument -- >> you took internal data, you gave it to somebody that the government believes is connected to russian intelligence and then the russian trolls started targeti targets the same places and faces the campaign did. >> you...

The surprise factor very low for the president, in my estimation. secondly, paul manafort colluded with people connected to russian interference. >> this is a polling argument? >> it's not a polling argument. >> the polling, you made that argument -- >> you took internal data, you gave it to somebody that the government believes is connected to russian intelligence and then the russian trolls started targeting the same places and faces the campaign did. >> you're really making the argument the polling information paul manafort may or may not have shared with russians -- >> not may or may not. ...

The peril that they face with suburban women voters who were the biggest block that turned out for trump in '16 as a surprise factor. >> more than we thought. not a majority. >> a lot more. >> i visited north dakota recently and i have some reporting on this. there are women in north dakota and they will vote and they are affected by this sort of thing. previous to this he talked about this being even more absurd than anita hill because teenagers were involved, as if it's not a serious matter if teenagers -- >> in the tradition of mourdock and aiken. where do they come from? >> it's also not j...

Their whole issue at ken kennebunkport was that can you call them as you see them and i'll never criticize you. this is an entirely different universe, i think the surprise factor is going to be deminimus and, you know, if a president does get surprised, i think historically they're going to look back on this now and say, they simply were dmotnot prepar because of the narrowness of these margins. >> his opinion in the colorado bakery case put him at odds with lgbtq advocates, what's at stake for the next justice as it relates to lgbtq rights? >> justice kennedy from the beginning styled himsel...