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Fundamental shift happening in the political culture of the democratic party at the grassroots it's very hard to see how that doesn't continue and i think at a certain point that grassroots dynamic will puncture the kind of cocoon of washington no matter how much influence there is on the other side. look, the same democrats for saying israel is not an apartheid state are people who listen to the -- apartheid state when they condemn russia or they condemned china. it's not logically consistent. >> i think there's a phrase for. it progressive except palestine. last question before we run out of...

Would lose their first in the nation primary status. but if you are biden, you're saying to yourself, i won the nomination and the presidency without winning new hampshire. really skipping the state of new hampshire. and i think that that is what is kind of playing out, partly in this order here. they want the states to represent not just the demographics, but also the politics of the democratic party. working class voters and black and brown voters, and also slightly more conservative voters in the south as well, anderson. >> abby philip, van jones, thanks so much. next up, we got a surprise ...