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Biden's agenda, a $3.5 trillion spending package, including health care, education and child care, is passed, too. can you get moderates in your own party behind that price tag? >> well i'm confident that we will be able to do that. >> would you be willing to come down at all? >> i think right now we're at 3.5. i think that's where we're going to stay. >> all right, rachel, what is the whougs swhite house saying about getting both of these bills to the president's desk? >> reporter: the president is saying that his party can get this done. the white house says the president will be working the...

Impossible for him to obstruct justice. one of the things that we know that the special counsel is investigating. further, giuliani tried to make the case that in theory the president could pardon himself, that is, to essentially if there were any charges brought against him or any potential indictment in the future that the president could essentially wipe that away. giuliani on both counts made the case that it is highly unlikely that the president would do that. he's arguing that it is not something that they are interested in pursuing, but speaking in theory it is something that the presid...

Time we've said hey if a few things go right for the democrats they will take back the house. there was even talk in 2016 that they might be able to do it. the way the districts are set up. the way the republicans have come to dominate in niece rural areas it's really hard for democrats to take back the house. if they can do well in this georgia sixth election that's coming up, that may be a sign that they are able to translate the anti-trump sentiment into real victories. >> do you think there is a permanent base? let's give it a number, 34, 36%, that's kinds of the subflooring? >> yeah, i th...

And public affairs at the united states state department in the obama administration. also happens to be the former managing editor of "time" magazine. matthew nussbaum is back with uswhite house reporter for politico. and we welcome to the broadcast, shannon petty piece, white house correspondent for bloomberg. welcome to you all. in fact rick i'm going to start with you. in the world of politics and law, there is one thing good about having a special counsel looking into your business, saying nothing of on day 141 of your administration. that one good thing is a free pass you get as long as ...

What we are questioning is what brought his victory about. he should be just as concerned about that as an american as we are. >> matt, in 2018, here's a little civics lesson, 435 house seats, the entire house, is up for re-election. it will take a difference of 24 flipped from where they are now to hand the gavel to nancy pelosi of the democrats. eye imagine these are some desperate hours for a lot of republican house incumbents right about now. >> i think that's true. i think for them it's a scary time. there's a lot of questions from health care. that bill is extremely unpopular. to this ru...