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Oc w theyve challenged the practices of Sutter Health certain aspects their lack of transparent theyre tying hospitals together and so forth it in the suit they see one the first round no court and sutter is appealing so sutter basically came to us with a new provision theyve never asked for all lawsuits for all customers and trusts and so forth will have to be arrest traded and not permitted to go to open court we thought it was not acceptable and binding our customers 2, 3, 4 a way we didnt think was appropriate so were pushing back against that we you know we are happy to answer more questi...

Report its important for the board to recall some of you werent here that three years ago sutter coming in came in when they wanted to buy up the whole business and put st. Francis and st. Marries out of business when we launched the acos we want different premiums the brown and tom man sutter premium will be higher than that assuming the utilitytion matched better to be safe than sorry but the premiums effect the costs sutter wouldnt allow us we wanted to create real competition we talked about removing sutter because they were driving our costs up so all the work youve done over the last 3 y...

The brown and tom man sutter premium will be higher than that assuming the utilitytion matched better to be safe than sorry but the premiums effect the costs sutter wouldnt allow us we wanted to create real competition we talked about removing sutter because they were driving our costs up so all the work youve done over the last 3 years to null lists migration i only needed 10 percent in the hospital to blow that out of the water well be back to trying to convince people to pay more by largely because of sutter so it he kind of is something we asked for indirectly and it is happening and sutte...

The trust fund and used to fund the allowable uses to fund the administration of the f s a that produce the administration thats like our contract for could be bra and health care and did not care sf a. Used for administrative purposes for the other health plans. No, it is so youre the forfeitures come because and i know how they got there theyre used for what. To offer the benefit of the expenses in the first time. What about the guarantees you have goes and forfeitures here. The guarantees are used are accrued into the Fund Balanced theyre not used to cover any specific expenses in operating...

Magnitude of the change. Sure we can and it will probably put that in as one of the comments in the management when we start working with the auditors this was different we changed over but we have been preparing for it i think last july we started to talk about it. As long as we know the month to month amount and its noted for the record i recognize we spent 2 million and were talking about 100 million it may not material mean but 2 million is 2 million at least its noted. And also the forfeiture performance they go back into the trust fund; right . The forfeitures are go to the trust fund an...