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consequences. if these kids had held up a swastika and said -- >> you don't know -- >> let me finish. >> you don't know if they're white privilege. >> no i'm talking about the privilege of whiteness. being able to do things that are offensive to folk and not care or not have to know what it means. if these kids held up a swathsstika and said we don't know what means, despite the fact that they're ignorant to what means, it's still deeply offensive to my jewish brothers and sisters and they need to be made aware of it. let's have that same context for everybody, for jewish brothers and sisters, for gay brothers and sisters, for black and brown brothers and sisters. let's have the same idea for everyone. i believe in second chances. i'm not saying these kids' lives need to be ruined but let's not say, they didn't know so it doesn't matter. >> here's the thing -- mark here's the difference. i don't think that everything comes down to a racial narrative or a conspiracy or a -- >> i didn't say that. >> or a white privilege. i think that you -- >> that's white privilege.