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Way he talks. >> mike, is this kind of music to your ears? you can make the counterargument which is letting trump be trump is what allowed him to win. he does stuff no one else does and people responded. >> yeah, i understand what david axelrod is saying. he is sort of acknowledging that the democrats have become obsessed with attacking president trump. and i think in large part because they don't just disagree with him, they hate him. they hate who he is. they hate him as a person. it's very personal. so they have issues that i'm sure david and others would want them to run on. we may hear a...

Trump voters who particularly women who are now saying, you know, i like what he does, but i can't stand the way he does it. and i don't know if we can take this. and i really think that the operative question that americans need to be has the broadest reach is can we do this for another four years. >> the -- i have heard you say that the group -- if you were in the trump train, if you were in the trump war room, the group you would be looking at and most concerned about is white noncollege educated women. >> yes. >> why that group? >> well, first of all, he does have a problem in the suburbs....

Going to catch some incoming. it's going to be very interesting to see how they go back and forth with each other and how the other folks need some rise today. if biden stays steady and strong and elizabeth as good as you said, sthal thail both have a good night. >> do they sort of draft off of each other? >> at some point tom, bernie and elizabeth, who are fighting for the same voters have got to engage to start distinguishing themselves from each other. and you may see some of that tonight. >> right. >> what do you make of this? you were involved in debate prep. >> i know. let me just say, y...