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Jesse: all they needed to do was maybe tell the trump campaign the russians may have been trying to interfere? what's worse, in your opinion? >> you know, i think the sum total is what makes it most reprehensible. this was a systematic effort at deceiving the court, at violating an american civil liberties and a system mat if ec effort at interfering in the u.s. election and in the early presidency of donald trump using false information, doctored information. and when they found out that their case had collapsed, fallen apart, they tried to switch to it a special prosecutor's probe, sustained...

Jesse: all they needed to do was maybe tell the trump campaign the russians may have been trying to interfere? what's worse, in your opinion? >> you know, i think the sum total is what makes it most reprehensible. this was a systematic effort at deceiving the court, at violating an american civil liberties and a system mat if ec effort at interfering in the u.s. election and in the early presidency of donald trump using false information, doctored information. and when they found out that their case had collapsed, fallen apart, they tried to switch to it a special prosecutor's probe, sustained...

Jesse: all they needed to do was maybe tell the trump campaign the russians may have been trying to interfere? what's worse, in your opinion? >> you know, i think the sum total is what makes it most reprehensible. this was a systematic effort at deceiving the court, at violating an american civil liberties and a system mat if ec effort at interfering in the u.s. election and in the early presidency of donald trump using false information, doctored information. and when they found out that their case had collapsed, fallen apart, they tried to switch to it a special prosecutor's probe, sustained...