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we here at msnbc will have a prime time recap of tomorrow s hearing right here tomorrow night starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern. hosting that tomorrow night, along with my dear friends chris hayes and joy reid and nicolle wallace and lawrence o donnell and the whole team, 1:00 p.m. is when the live hearing starts, and 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night is when we will start our prime time recap. i can tell you one thing in advanceim of tomorrow s hearing. i can tell you for sure that the tattoo quotient among the witnesses isth about to go way, wayth up and i do not want to speculate what any of these folks might haveat lurking unde their collars, it is totally possible of course that like, you know, rusty bowers has an amazing torso full of tattoos, who knows or just michael luttig had a full sleeve tattoo working under his very silver suit but in terms of visible tattoos, tattoos visible o even in busins wear, in terms of face tattoos, neck tattoo, head tattoos, hand tattoos, tomor ....
Groups claiming the government was out to get you and government needed to be resisted by force during the obama administration. when there was the bundy ranch armed standsoff in nevada in 2014 with the far right armed extremists, anti-government groups, aimed guns at federal agents, and got away with it, the gentleman who you are going to see testify tomorrow, he went off to cover it as a sort of journalist. he covered itof for his revolutn radio podcast thing. and at that standoff, he met the head of the oathkeepers group, and then he started attending and covering more of the events and standoffs and stunts where the oathkeepers showed up and eventually the leader of the oathkeepers and the other members of that group decided they likedot him enough and lik his way of talking about him enough that they put him on ....
Purpose, trying to use them essentially as the physical force that would be needed to physically block the finalization of the election results, to physically intimidate the vice president and theel congress from finishi that job, well, to whatever extent that happened, to whatever extent these groups didn t just do it on their own but they wereth directed in tha effort, tomorrow we re going to hear the january 6th investigators lay out thatoi ca, and we know to expect live witness testimony from the former spokesperson for the oathkeepers who is now quite repentant about his time with the group, we may also hear from otherhi people who were actuall personally involved in the january 6th attack, we may also see more video tape than you might usually expect, in part, because by the latest count, i think there appeared to be not one, not two, not three, but maybe four separate documentary film makers who were involved with the main figures in the january 6th attack, up to and including t ....
Up to and on the day of january 6th , indicate that the trump white house was in contact with those groups, and using those groups for the purposes of w trying to use force against the government, well, i mean using force to overthrow or stop the functions of the government, that is a crime. a very serious crime. that s sedition or seditious conspiracy, s right? and if you were part of directing those groups, aiming and pointing at aiming those groups that you knew would use force at your suggestion, if you were part of them deliberately suggesting that it was go time for them, that would mean that you would appear to have been involved in the crime, you would appear to be in on the conspiracy, for which members of both t oathkeepers and the proudbo boys are tonight sittin in jail waiting on felony charges that could keep them in prison for decades. so no pressure, the fact of tomorrow s hearing is that there ....
Tomorrow s hearing is not going to be about showing explicit evidence that trump, you know, approved directly of the para-military groups plans or that he told them to draw up plans like that, he said that isn t what they re setting out to prove, they re setting out to prove what he described as a convergence of trump s efforts and what the para-military groups are willing to do with weapons and with violence. can you help us understand what that, what that means, he s not talking about their being coincidentally pursuing the same idea, he is talking about being converged efforts. absolutely. and i think, i can t help but look at this as a trial lawyer. because it s so effective to have cassidy hutchinson come in as the last witness, say she heard proud boys, oathkeepers mentioned in connection with january 6. they knew, they were warned there was going to be violence. they knew and he was warned not to use the words to encourage the crowd to fight. and yet he sent out the december ....