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It will bring politics into it and hurts the credibility of the court. in the final analysis, she had her chance to say -- she worked for stephen breyer, she had a chance to say we shouldn't pack the court but they don't want to take a position on it. think how she would help the credibility of the court if she said no, i don't believe in packing the supreme court because it is already people saying it, she said that as a policy issue. it wasn't a policy issue for ginsburg and for stephen breyer but they didn't shirk away from it. >> shannon: she will say i will take the justice barrett approa...

Where that person who holds that job is willing to say things that are obviously not true about something so trivial, it -- it includes -- it inserts a seed of doubt whenever we're hearing her talk about something really important. and that's troubling. and look, lawrence, i sat in enough oval office meetings with president obama where he had to listen to his secretary of homeland security, either janet napolitano or jeh johnson say something that might have been something inconvenient for him. might have said something that he didn't fully agree with. but they knew they had a responsibility t...

Something inconvenient for him. might have said something that he didn't fully agree with. but they knew they had a responsibility to be honest, to tell the truth, even if it was going to cause them to be in disagreement with the president of the united states. they knew that's what the obligation of the job demand of them, and they didn't shirk from that responsibility. president trump unfortunately hasn't chosen someone with the same set of priorities. >> i want to go to something else that happened in the meeting today. and this is when senator graham was discussing the televised meeting th...