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Fundamental point is the president has an obligation to take care that the laws of faithfully executed, that the irs is part of the treasury department. the idea that he gets a pass because he didn't personally order things to be done, or no one personally told him stuff, there were how many congressional letters or complaints? those are public documents, a lot of reporting there were problems at the irs. the treasury secretary is supposed to call in the commissioner of the irs and say what's going on? the white house is responsible to say, this is a 100,000-member agency, part of the executiv...

>> >> as i said yesterday and as han reported today, there were discussions between the treasury, chief of staff's office and office of general counsel and the white house counsel's office and chief of staff's office about the information release and the findings themselves. those are three different answers to roughly the same question, the evolving time line of who knew what when inside the white house. we're back with the panel. this is one element to the story and jay carney saying today that, in fact, treasury and white house officials were talking together about when the release would ha...